Darrick Dishaw’s Cult of Cthulhu Bible and Wikipedia: The Similarities

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To make a long story short, I pointed out these similarities, not to mention the book’s advocacy of ritual murder and male supremacy.  Darrick claimed that he had taken this material from a number of different sources, which the chart below showed wasn’t the case.  He then accused me of changing Wikipedia to reflect his book, apparently being unaware of Wikipedia’s “history” function.   Then he switched tactics and went around the Internet posting that I was gay.  Next, he pretended that he’d done his research years before, and that the Wikipedia entry had somehow evolved over hundreds of edits to look just like his book.  The next theories were that I had super-user privileges on Wikipedia, or that I had conspired with one of his friends to get a preview copy.  Months later, he actually admitted that he did take material from Wikipedia, claiming he’d just forgotten to cite it.

Cult of Cthulhu Bible Wikipedia Article (as of 1/7/07)
Cthulhu (other spellings: Kutulu, Ktulu, Cthulu, Kthulhut, Thu Thu, Tulu, and many others) is a fictional entity createdby horror author H.P. Lovecraft. Cthulhu is often preceded by the epithet Great, Dead, or Dread. Cthulhu (other spellings: Kutulu, Ktulu, Cthulu, Kthulhut, Thu Thu, Tulu [1], and many others) is a fictional entity created by horror author H.P. Lovecraft. [2] Cthulhu is often preceded by the epithet Great, Dead, or Dread.
Lovecraft transcribed the pronunciation of Cthulhu as “Khlûl’hloo” or “Kathooloo” S.T. Joshi points out, however, that Lovecraft gave several differing pronunciations on different occasions. According to Lovecraft, however, this is merely the closest that the human vocal apparatus can come to reproducing the syllables of an alien language. Lovecraft transcribed the pronunciation of Cthulhu as “Khlûl’hloo” or “Kathooloo” [3] S. T. Joshi points out, however, that Lovecraft gave several differing pronunciations on different occasions.[4] According to Lovecraft, however, this is merely the closest that the human vocal apparatus can come to reproducing the syllables of an alien language.[5]
Cthulhu debuted in Lovecraft’s short story “The Call of Cthulhu” (1928) — though he makes minor appearances in a few of Lovecraft’s other works. August Derleth used the creature’s name to describe the system of lore employed by Lovecraft and his literary successors, the Cthulhu Mythos. Cthulhu debuted in Lovecraft’s short story “The Call of Cthulhu” (1928) — though he makes minor appearances in a few other of Lovecraft’s works.
[6] August Derleth used the creature’s name to describe the system of lore employed by Lovecraft and his literary successors, the Cthulhu Mythos.
Cthulhu has been referenced on dozens of occasions in many media forms. It has gained a camp status among science fiction and horror fans, and is today often referred to jokingly as a stand-in for ultimate terror or evil.
The most detailed descriptions of Cthulhu in “The Call of Cthulhu” are based on statues of the creature. One, constructed by an artist after a series of disturbing nightmares, is said to have “yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature…. A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque and scaly body with rudimentary wings.” Another, recovered by police from a raid on a murderous cult, “represented a monster of vaguely anthropoid outline, but with an octopus-like head whose face was a mass of feelers, a scaly, rubbery-looking body, prodigious claws on hind and fore feet, and long, narrow wings behind.” The most detailed descriptions of Cthulhu in “The Call of Cthulhu” are based on statues of the creature. One, constructed by an artist after a series of baleful dreams, is said to have “yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature…. A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque and scaly body with rudimentary wings.”[7] Another, recovered by police from a raid on a murderous cult, “represented a monster of vaguely anthropoid outline, but with an octopus-like head whose face was a mass of feelers, a scaly, rubbery-looking body, prodigious claws on hind and fore feet, and long, narrow wings behind.” [8]

When the creature finally appears in the story, it’s said that the “Thing cannot be described”, but it is called “the green, sticky spawn of the stars”, with “flabby claws” and an “awful squid-head with writhing feelers”. The phrase “a mountain walked or stumbled” gives a sense of the creature’s scale.

When the creature finally appears in the story, it’s said that the “Thing cannot be described”, but it is called “the green, sticky spawn of the stars”, with “flabby claws” and an “awful squid-head with writhing feelers”. The phrase “a mountain walked or stumbled” gives a sense of the creature’s scale.
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Cthulhu is depicted as having a worldwide cult centered in Arabia, with followers in regions as far-flung as Greenland, Louisiana, and New Zealand. There are leaders of the cult “in the mountains of China” who are said to be immortal. Cthulhu is described by some of these cultists as the “great priest” of “the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men, and who came to the young world out of the sky.”
Cthulhu is depicted as having a worldwide cult centered in Arabia, with followers in regions as far-flung as Greenland, Louisiana, and New Zealand.
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There are leaders of the cult “in the mountains of China” who are said to be immortal. Cthulhu is described by some of these cultists as the “great priest” of “the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men, and who came to the young world out of the sky.”
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The cult is noted for chanting its “horrid phrase or ritual: Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn”, which translates as “In his house at R’lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.” This is often shortened to “Cthulhu fhtagn”, which appears to mean “Cthulhu waits” or “Cthulhu dreams”.
The cult is noted for chanting its “horrid phrase or ritual: Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn”, which translates as “In his house at R’lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.”
[12] This is often shortened to “Cthulhu fhtagn”, which appears to mean “Cthulhu waits” or “Cthulhu dreams”. [13]
One cultist, known as Old Castro, provides the most elaborate information given in Lovecraft’s fiction about Cthulhu. The Great Old Ones, according to Castro, had come from the stars to rule the world in ages past. One cultist, known as Old Castro, provides the most elaborate information given in Lovecraft’s fiction about Cthulhu. The Great Old Ones, according to Castro, had come from the stars to rule the world in ages past.
“They were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape…but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But
although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R’lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for them.”
“They were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape…but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R’lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for them.”[14]
Castro points to the “much-discussed couplet” from Abdul
Alhazred’s Necronomicon:
Castro points to the “much-discussed couplet” from Abdul Alhazred’s Necronomicon:
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even death may die.
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even death may die.
[15]
Castro explains the role of the Cthulhu Cult: When the stars have come right for the Great Old Ones, “some force from outside must serve to liberate their bodies. The spells that preserved Them intact likewise prevented them from making an initial move.” At the proper time, Castro explains the role of the Cthulhu Cult: When the stars have come right for the Great Old Ones, “some force from outside must serve to liberate their bodies. The spells that preserved Them intact likewise prevented them from making an initial move.”[16] At the proper time,
“the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to
revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth….Then mankind
would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild
and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside
and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy. Then the
liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill
and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame
with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.”
“the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth….Then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.”[17]
Castro reports that the Great Old Ones are telepathic and “knew all that was occurring in the universe”. They were able to communicate with the first humans by “moulding their dreams”, thus establishing the Cthulhu Cult, but after R’lyeh had sunk beneath the waves, “the deep waters, full of the one primal mystery through which not even thought can pass, had cut off the spectral intercourse.” Castro reports that the Great Old Ones are telepathic and “knew all that was occurring in the universe”. They were able to communicate with the first humans by “moulding their dreams”, thus establishing the Cthulhu Cult, but after R’lyeh had sunk beneath the waves, “the deep waters, full of the one primal mystery through which not even thought can pass, had cut off the spectral intercourse.”[18]
It may in truth be said that no one knows the plans of Great Cthulhu or any of the other Old Ones and Outer Gods, as their minds are as strange and twisted as their bodies. [This was present in an earlier version of the Wikipedia entry. - Dan] Elsewhere in Lovecraft’s Fiction
Cthulhu makes several cameo appearances elsewhere in Lovecraft’s fiction, sometimes described in ways that appear to contradict information given in “The Call of Cthulhu”. For example, rather than including Cthulhu among the Great Old Ones, a quotation from the Necronomicon in “The Dunwich Horror” says of the Old Ones, “Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly.” But different Lovecraft stories and characters use the term “Old Ones” in widely different ways. Cthulhu makes several cameo appearances elsewhere in Lovecraft’s fiction, sometimes described in ways that appear to contradict information given in “The Call of Cthulhu”. For example, rather than including Cthulhu among the Great Old Ones, a quotation from the Necronomicon in “The Dunwich Horror” says of the Old Ones, “Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly.”[19] But different Lovecraft stories and characters use the term “Old Ones” in widely different ways.
In At the Mountains of Madness, for example, the Old Ones are a species of extraterrestrials, also known as Elder Things, who were at war with Cthulhu and his relatives or allies. Human explorers in Antarctica discover an ancient city of the Elder Things and puzzle out a history from sculptural records: In At the Mountains of Madness, for example, the Old Ones are a species of extraterrestrials, also known as Elder Things, who were at war with Cthulhu and his relatives or allies. Human explorers in Antarctica discover an ancient city of the Elder Things and puzzle out a history from sculptural records:
“With the upheaval of new land in the South Pacific tremendous events began…. Another race–a land race of beings shaped like octopi and probably corresponding to the fabulous pre-human spawn of Cthulhu–soon began filtering down from cosmic infinity and precipitated a monstrous war which for a time drove the Old Ones wholly back to the sea…. Later peace was made, and the new lands were given to the Cthulhu spawn whilst the Old Ones held the sea and the older lands…. [T]he Antarctic remained the centre of the Old Ones’ civilization, and all the discoverable cities built there by the Cthulhu spawn were blotted out. Then suddenly the lands of the Pacific sank again, taking with them the frightful stone city of R’lyeh and all the cosmic octopi, so that the Old Ones were once again supreme on the planet….” With the upheaval of new land in the South Pacific tremendous events began…. Another race–a land race of beings shaped like octopi and probably corresponding to the fabulous pre-human spawn of Cthulhu–soon began filtering down from cosmic infinity and precipitated a monstrous war which for a time drove the Old Ones wholly back to the sea…. Later peace was made, and the new lands were given to the Cthulhu spawn whilst the Old Ones held the sea and the older lands…. [T]he antarctic remained the centre of the Old Ones’ civilisation, and all the discoverable cities built there by the Cthulhu spawn were blotted out. Then suddenly the lands of the Pacific sank again, taking with them the frightful stone city of R’lyeh and all the cosmic octopi, so that the Old Ones were once again supreme on the planet….[20]



22 Responses to “Darrick Dishaw’s Cult of Cthulhu Bible and Wikipedia: The Similarities”

  1. Wow. Dick waving over imaginary stuff. How petty is this? Dam Harms can’t stand to see any dissent with anything that counters his narrow interpretation of the Lovecraftian universe, and Darrick Dishaw has a cult ripping off imaginary fictional monster and uses a cartoon character’s name as his alter ego.

    With all the real problems in our world, it’s pathetically lame when two intolerant, egotistical Lovecraftian “scholars” (and I use that term loosely) have nothing more to do than to wave their huge e-penis around because they obviously “know” the inner working of Lovecraft more than anyone else.

  2. Fortunately, with all the real problems in our world, Kitsune finds the time to libel random people on the Internet, obviously “knowing” their inner workings more than anyone else.

  3. Egads! Kitsune has uncovered my diabolical plan to discredit diversity by pointing out that two things are nearly identical!

  4. Thank you for the information. Now I won’t have to waste money on this book.

  5. People including Mr.Harms why don’t you all stop bickering about a persons beliefs and wheter or not the cribbed stuff,after all just how many writers out there are gulity of it,and stop poking at anther person’s beliefs they have as much of a right to worship Cthulhu,as I do the Cotton Candy Monster if I so decide to worship such a being.For Fracks sake people grow up its not like they are hurting “YOU”,unless the fact that they are being diffrent hurts you then if thats the fact”GROW UP”!

  6. Joseph,

    It’s clear you do not grasp what is going on here. Darrick has stated that having people ridicule him and his beliefs is a drain on his magical power. Thus, we can show no greater respect for him or his theology than by making fun of them relentlessly.

  7. Dan, Venger Satanis has announced his second book: LIBER A:O, is coming out as a downloadable. After he ripped off Wiki, blatantly stole from Peter Carroll, and “borrowed” [without permission] material from Fritz Perls, Phil Hine, Virginia Satir, and Milton Erickson, can I assume you’ll check the new book as well and report any shenanigans?

  8. James,

    Thanks for letting me know. Can you provide any examples of those authors’ works turning up in Cthulhu Cult?

  9. Dan, there was a thread debunking Venger on the Key 64 website, but the site seems to be down. (http://www.key64.net/)

    I can probably quote direct examples, but it will take some time, as it’s been over a year since I compared and contrasted. Off the top of my head, Venger blatantly copied artwork from Peter Carroll’s books. If you go to Venger’s main site page (http://cultofcthulhu.net/index2.htm), the “Cult of Cthulhu” pic in the top left-hand corner with the face and tentacles is directly ripped off from a pic in Carroll’s LIBER NULL & PSYCHONAUT, page 168. Furthermore, Venger’s cover to his EMPIRE OF SATANIS roll playing game (http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/satanis-1a.htm) directly steals Carroll’s art from page 112 of the same book.

    He also takes lines from Phil Hine’s PRIME CHAOS and CONDENSED CHAOS regarding Paradim Evolution and the general description of Chaos Magic, and he “borrows” his text on Neuro-Linguistic Programming taking both from Hine and he tweaks an article by Fritz Perls, Virginia Satir, and Milton Erickson in that when Venger says “I have discovered three separate states of awakening” is nothing more than ripping off the three stages of NLP from an article by the aforementioned three, but just changing it from real-world situations to Lovecraftian adjectives.

    Venger also takes most of his fourth way descriptions from P.D. Ouspensky’s THE FOURTH WAY, and essentially uses G.I. Gurdgieff’s essays as his own; though I don’t have a copy of either handy, so I can’t make direct page correlations.

    Overall Venger doesn’t have a clue. He wants a Lovecratian world, but he’s too lazy to do it himself, so he steals a hodgepodge of ideas and prose from others and haphazardly tries to tie it all together with absurd notions. But the sad part is, Venger doesn’t understand the material he wants to embrace, and it’s painfully obvious when we see his words intermixed with someone else’s.

  10. [...] Cthulhu is a Lovecraft-inspired, civic-minded organization, best known for such public services as selling people Wikipedia entries, appointing representatives to be jerks on  Internet forums, and making up stories about their [...]

  11. Please.

    Plagiarism is an academic crime. Do you think for a moment that if DD cared anything at all about his reputation as a writer that he would be so freely copying from an encyclopedia?

    What is ridiculous is the standards that some copy and paste authors are breeding – a new standard of anything goes on the internet, often sourced from the net, then re-packaged and sold for profit.

    how about some standards, some originality from occult authors? some style? This is why I like Dan Harms already. Just in reading his blog here and there I know that he is an academic and *reliable* source of information.

    Thank you for making these posts on this topic available.

    VenusSatanas

  12. In reply to Dan Harns from January 21, 2009 at 12:24 am ,look there is enough problems in this world without people bickering of religous/magickal beliefs.Plus to constantly downgrade another person because they cribbed something if childish.Writers have been cribbing for ages,why not do pick apart the writings of Anton LaVey I mean after all he pieced the Satanic Bible together from other peoples writings and up until his death would tell people it was 100% his work!

  13. PS:Your Encylopedia Cthuliana(might have misspelled it) Rules!I use the info from it in my Call of Cthulhu games!

  14. Joseph,

    How is this a religious debate? Darrick made a choice to do what he did, and – more importantly – to respond as he did when it was pointed out to him.

    If Darrick doesn’t want to be ridiculed, then maybe he should consider what he says and does more carefully.

    And I’m glad you find the book of use!

  15. Its a religous debate in that he is founding his own religion,persoanlly I have no idea how he replied to you,but i think the whole think has been blow out of wack,and both parties in this war need to be mature acting adults and just back off!

    • I’m not sure I understand. How is every debate Darrick gets into a religious debate simply because he wants to start his own religion? Further, if you don’t actually know what’s going on in this situation, how can you evaluate whether the responses are appropriate?

  16. Well I have taken the time since that post to become fully caught up on whats going on.And personally I think it’s a load of bull,why not just let the matter with him go?It would be the right thing for both sides to do in this matter just drop it and stop bickering.So theres similarites and such who cares??

  17. I find the debate and outrage over Dishaw’s plagiarism slightly amusing and ironic. Not to diminish the act – which is deplorable, but for a man who worships Old Scratch, worships Old Ones, and for a man claiming to be evil, is not plagiarism (or stealing, killing, lying for that matter) right up his alley as an “acceptable” or at least an expected behavior as a bad guy? I mean, he is “evil”, right? Why is anyone surprised an evil person would steal something?

  18. If someone wants to create their own religion, that’s their business (even if the beings in that religion were created as fiction by an atheistic materialist writer as alien beings confused for deities). BUT, if someone wants to rip off Wikipedia, claim that they wrote the material for themself, accuse those that point out otherwise of ripping him off, and then name-call those that point out otherwise, that person is an immature douchebag.

    Even though I’d kill anyone that plagiarized me, plagiarism to be evil is like telling little white lies to be good. It is a sign that one really doesn’t want to bother with their convictions. If he really doesn’t care enough about his beliefs to do more than rip off, he must not really care about his religion.

  19. If you really want to be taken seriously, don’t name yourself after the villain from the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon.

  20. And now this: the girl whose child Darrick “annointed” tells him he takes things way too seriously:

  21. How can people be defending Dishaw or acting like it’s not a big deal? He fucking copy and pasted directly from Wikipedia, then sold it, and then made up after-the-fact justifications. That’s pathetic. Plagiarism sucks. Ripping off the work of another person wholesale is never acceptable and it’s completely ridiculous that people defend him along the lines that “every author does it.” Being influenced by ideas and cribbing the odd turn of phrase is one thing; pasting paragraph upon paragraph identically from the same source is the worst kind of intellectual charlatanism. And oh yeah, Darrick has his own poetry about raping underage children on his website. Nice.

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